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Lord Ex
2020-02-21, 11:26
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QUOTE(Hacky @ 2020-02-21, 08:58) *

既然提到了Huitzilopochtli就顺手翻一下卡

Huitzilopochtli
氏族:Baali
尊长:Ashur
本性:建筑师
表性:远见者
世代:4
初拥:公元前4500年
外表年龄:20岁
生理属性:力量9,敏捷8,耐力9
社交属性:魅力8,操控9,外观0
心理属性:感知6,智力6,智慧7
特长:警觉4,斗殴5,外交6,闪避5,做梦7,移情6,阴谋9,直觉9,领导力(公开演讲)8,模仿6,诡计(诱惑)9,投掷2
技能:手艺3,盲人搏斗3,身体手艺6,贿赂9,伪装3,礼仪1,近战5,生存(追踪)9,折磨9
知识:学术(人类学,考古学)9,炼金术3,区域知识(墨西哥,美索不达米亚)9,黑手知识5,卡马里拉知识3,城市秘密9,调查(搜索)5,亲属知识9,卢平(?)知识5,法师知识4,医学(毒理学)6,神秘(恶魔知识)9,心理学3,政治学8,萨巴特知识9,下水道知识3,精神知识9,神学9,Wyrm学识9
异能:兽性术 6,超感术9,迅捷术6,幻术6,恶魔术(?)9,黑暗奇术7,疯狂术8,支配术9,坚韧术7,暗夜术4,威仪术9,变形术7,蛮力术9,奇术4,内脏术3(基本没听过
背景:交替身份,盟友9,接触9,兽群9,影响9,资源4,护卫9,状态9
美德:信念5,本能5,勇气5
道德:邪恶启示之道10
意志点:10
精神错乱

痴迷。这厮觉得他必须腐蚀全人类才能取悦巴力。当然,他是对的。

魔鬼投资

9(地狱排名)
全半角改了

说几个(自认为可改正的)问题:
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移情6
私以为Empathy可翻译成共感
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卢平(?)知识5
狼人知识5
Lupine就是血族对狼人的别称... 在现实也是别称(记得哈利波特吗?那个卢平)
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恶魔术(?)9
这是巴力的氏族异能
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内脏术3
这是石像鬼的血系异能... 该怎么翻译暂时想不到,石变术?
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地狱排名
私以为Infernal Ranking可译为腐化等级
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他必须腐蚀全人类才能取悦巴力
应该是巴尔(Baal),是一个恶魔的名字

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(基本没听过
正常的,他卡面很多次等技能(Secondary Abilities)和一些不那么出名的异能(比如黑暗奇术),要在玩家导读或ST手册才找得到

*这位就是至今(有卡的官方)NPC中最强的(没有之一),Ur-Shulgi卡不全所以我不算他

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2020-02-21, 17:44
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QUOTE(Lord Ex @ 2020-01-31, 15:36) *

和血族一样...
理论上...是可以的,感觉有点像贱民长老/玛士撒拉那种,边缘外的人做到了最高级,虽然几率很小(但是贱民长老是真有的,开罗的那位,玛士撒拉...如果石头男是真的话倒也不是没可能)

*没记错的话,不仅是Heimin,鬼人很多小些的组织几乎没什么高道法的成员存在。比如那5条现存的异类道法,比较古老的可能有那么几个菩萨,有些比较新的道法(比如人见人打的食蝎者)和特殊情况的(比如升凰之火)都没有现存的菩萨甚至老祖(升凰之火是一成为菩萨就失踪了...),隐匿鬼人(就是看不见,Kanbujian,中原以外的地方重生的鬼人)估计连官人都没有
世代靠前的有一些是氏族是未知的,但是好像只有老石头自己是贱民;
我听说以勒米利在某些书里确定是莫卡维的子嗣,我估计主要原因是莫卡维自己特别能续,他被撕碎好像是他发的假信号,用于躲一些事情,在耶路撒冷自己一个子嗣被杀之后他差点苏醒(我记得就算他沉睡他也能通过清醒的灵魂各个方面影响世界,有的莫卡维能通过灵魂投影放暗夜术)
感觉绝大多数菩萨都是自己的伍(?)的;佛陀之面也是一个菩萨没有,创始人自己好像也只是老祖水平;看不见那种我感觉就是定死1级道的;还有一些上古魑魅魍魉;
太阳神我倾向于认为和Earthbound交易的,或者说巴力都是和Earthbound交易?但看他的年代,我觉得,,,他发展出这些不是什么问题(但如果靠自己搞成这样,老夜巫和某俊美小男孩的能力按理应该更强?虽然老夜巫是9级奇术,但是太阳神可以搞各种组合技)
VDA20说巴力在行动上也是倾向于奴役恶魔,而不是当恶魔的狗腿子;当然他们自己在像什么取决于我们自己设定。

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2020-02-21, 18:02
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QUOTE(ObSolitaire @ 2020-02-21, 17:44) *

世代靠前的有一些是氏族是未知的,但是好像只有老石头自己是贱民;
非常靠前一般是能溯源的,因为太明显了
现在还记得的特例是一个4代的遁世会监视者,在开罗书的最后面有介绍,看描述也不清楚他的尊长

QUOTE(ObSolitaire @ 2020-02-21, 17:44) *

我听说以勒米利在某些书里确定是莫卡维的子嗣,
他的卡很清楚了吧
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疯狂术9

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还有一些上古魑魅魍魉;
这个是有可能,中世纪书血与丝有说过,一些万仙因为没有跟随道法而失去了指引,成为了最早的魑魅。很多被杀;有些重新获得自我控制;有些被阎魔王控制;还有些躲起来了。据说在血与丝的年代(1270还是多少年,反正是第四纪元非常尾巴的时候了)这些怪物还是存在,现代不清楚了

QUOTE(ObSolitaire @ 2020-02-21, 17:44) *

太阳神我倾向于认为和Earthbound交易的,或者说巴力都是和Earthbound交易?
首先恶魔系列出版于2002年,这个系列的恶魔才是比较传统意义上的恶魔(堕天使,你说的深缚种也是里面的),在此之前的所谓恶魔基本就是指狼人里的Bane那样的邪恶精魂

巴力做交易的“恶魔”没有明说,但你可认为是一切邪恶的东西。和堕天使恶魔乃至那5位大公做交易是肯定的,Bane也有

QUOTE(ObSolitaire @ 2020-02-21, 17:44) *

但看他的年代,我觉得,,,他发展出这些不是什么问题(但如果靠自己搞成这样,老夜巫和某俊美小男孩的能力按理应该更强?
年龄不一定和实力挂钩的,Izhim ur-Baal比他老,他的卡...

老夜巫的战绩很多的,制造了俄罗斯影幕,召唤了Zmei大蛇
那个Nictuku是个挂...有传说他是第一城时期的第四代,被Absilimard本人初拥来对抗二代...

*据说老巫婆的年龄有误,她应该是5000岁(初拥于3000BC)而不是初拥于5000BC。小男孩的年龄是他的两倍多,所以应该是10000多岁而不是14000多(14000多比一些第三代都大了开玩笑)

QUOTE(ObSolitaire @ 2020-02-21, 17:44) *

巴力在行动上也是倾向于奴役恶魔,而不是当恶魔的狗腿子;当然他们自己在像什么取决于我们自己设定。
有大能说,扫罗当年创造巴力时参考了人鬼的魔虎道法。我们不是恶魔的仆人,我们是想成为恶魔本身,大概是这么个意思吧


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2020-02-21, 18:16
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QUOTE(Lord Ex @ 2020-02-21, 18:02) *

非常靠前一般是能溯源的,因为太明显了
现在还记得的特例是一个4代的遁世会监视者,在开罗书的最后面有介绍,看描述也不清楚他的尊长
他的卡很清楚了吧
这个是有可能,中世纪书血与丝有说过,一些万仙因为没有跟随道法而失去了指引,成为了最早的魑魅。很多被杀;有些重新获得自我控制;有些被阎魔王控制;还有些躲起来了。据说在血与丝的年代(1270还是多少年,反正是第四纪元非常尾巴的时候了)这些怪物还是存在,现代不清楚了
首先恶魔系列出版于2002年,这个系列的恶魔才是比较传统意义上的恶魔(堕天使,你说的深缚种也是里面的),在此之前的所谓恶魔基本就是指狼人里的Bane那样的邪恶精魂

巴力做交易的“恶魔”没有明说,但你可认为是一切邪恶的东西。和堕天使恶魔乃至那5位大公做交易是肯定的,Bane也有
年龄不一定和实力挂钩的,Izhim ur-Baal比他老,他的卡...

老夜巫的战绩很多的,制造了俄罗斯影幕,召唤了Zmei大蛇
那个Nictuku是个挂...有传说他是第一城时期的第四代,被Absilimard本人初拥来对抗二代...

*据说老巫婆的年龄有误,她应该是5000岁(初拥于3000BC)而不是初拥于5000BC。小男孩的年龄是他的两倍多,所以应该是10000多岁而不是14000多(14000多比一些第三代都大了开玩笑)
有大能说,扫罗当年创造巴力时参考了人鬼的魔虎道法。我们不是恶魔的仆人,我们是想成为恶魔本身,大概是这么个意思吧
我觉得iz本身可能是非常厉害的,可能是中世纪让巴力抓了当诅咒哈齐姆之子的媒介大摧毁了很多他的力量,这样巴力在暗战里既重伤了萨路比也打残了哈齐姆之子




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QUOTE(ObSolitaire @ 2020-02-21, 18:16) *

我觉得iz本身可能是非常厉害的,
Iz的卡我认为就是官方放水,他不该这么弱

QUOTE(ObSolitaire @ 2020-02-21, 18:16) *

可能是中世纪让巴力抓了当诅咒哈齐姆之子的媒介大摧毁了很多他的力量,这样巴力在暗战里既重伤了萨路比也打残了哈齐姆之子
据说在V20里谜底已经解开了。Iz早在中世纪时就被巴力腐化了,他自愿牺牲了自己的子嗣。然后Ur-Shulgi就是巴力传说中的那个男孩,也是巴力的几位创始人之一。整个阿刹迈其实早就输给了巴力。OP论坛有个帖,我看到时翻一下...
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QUOTE(ObSolitaire @ 2020-02-21, 17:44) *

世代靠前的有一些是氏族是未知的,但是好像只有老石头自己是贱民;
补个,5版的芝加哥之夜有个4代的贱民。

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Nerissa Blackwater

Epitaph: The Interlocutor, First Daughter, Matriarch of the Blackwater

Quote: “You have treated this land as if it is your own for far, far too long.”

Clan: Unknown


Mortal Days: Mythological Memory
 In a time so distant even her long memory fails, the creature now known as Nerissa Blackwater came alone to the edge of the great waters that later inhabitants of this land would call Michigami just as the last angry, orange bars of sunlight were swallowed by the black earth to the west. With trepidation and a sliver of excitement, she waited for the Ancestor to emerge out of the murk, to speak the sacred truths of her people and this land. Rise, the Ancestor did, a massive, powerful creature, taller than any mortal being, vaguely human, its muscled limbs, sculpted body, and long, wild hair oozing with mud, fierce eyes glittering like flint in the semi-darkness. Thus, the ritual began.
 For a full turning of the seasons, the Ancestor came by night and whispered stories into the secret places of her mind of a world lush with gardens full of flourishing plants and creatures, cared for by the Mother of Seeds and protected from the heat of an angry sun by Her shawl of midnight — a gift from the Father of Stars. Just before the break of each day, the Ancestor sank back into the lake and, as she had been told she must, Nerissa lay naked and still upon the shore, scorched by the sun, pelted by needles of rain, scourged by relentless winds, and nearly buried by freezing sleet or soft falling snow. She knew only discomfort, pain, hunger, and profound loneliness, for none among her people dared approach the lake while she suffered her ordeal. Every harrowing moment filled her with a desperate longing for the night to swallow the sun at last, for the Ancestor to rise again, its great hands gentle as it soothed her raw, exposed skin with cool mud, as it slaked her thirst with fresh water, and as it sated her hunger with a thick, glorious liquid that burned her throat but warmed her belly.
 The Ancestor imparted unto her the Mother’s mysteries: the coming of the cannibal monster, Eemamoowia, the fall of the Garden, and the terrible affliction passed on to all the victims of that vicious attack. Nerissa would become an interlocutor between the mortal descendants of the
Father of Stars and the Mother of Seeds and the Ancestors, their half-dead children, so horrified by the cursed abominations they had become that they dared never show their faces in the light of the sun. She would experience the pain of Eemamoowia’s attack, die, and be reborn into living death by the blood of the Mother — the same blood that had been her sustenance for a full turning of seasons.   
 Nerissa recoiled at the thought. Why had her elders not told her? How could they have convinced her to make such an abysmal sacrifice? But in exchange, all her people would honor her, for she served as an admonition to never forget the crimes of Eemamoowia. For her sake, they would willingly give of their own blood, their own pain and suffering, lest she succumb to the cannibal curse and become a Beast. Standing with one foot in the lands of death and the other in the lands of the living, a nectar unknown to any on Earth passed her lips, and she was reborn, wise and full of conviction.


Immortal Nights: Poised To Turn The Table
 Time is meaningless to one who understands that it does not truly exist. Nerissa supposes that at least six millennia have passed since last she looked upon the sun. Before the white men came, she spent centuries at a time in slumber with the Ancestor beneath the waters of the lake, arising when her mortal descendants had need of her or were threatened in any way. Things have become more interesting over the past five centuries. In these modern nights, the descendants of Eemamoowia — wretched creatures who call themselves Kindred of Caine — presume to claim ownership over the Mother’s land and her people. Unbeknownst to them, Nerissa and her people work in silence like twining roots and vines to choke out these Cannibal weeds, all in anticipation of the Mother’s imminent return.


Plots And Schemes:
• Growing the Garden: The Cannibals are in chaos, which is a boon. Nerissa is taking advantage of the transition of power and the arrival of the Lasombra embassage to welcome in new Cultivars who have operated unnoticed behind their Kindred masks. Of course, more are needed. Edith Beaubien, one of the first Cultivars Nerissa recruited, draws the most influential Cannibals to her salons of torture and delight. If she can tempt Erichtho and others like her, Nerissa will have another strong seed to plant in the Mother’s Garden.

• Lilith’s Brood: The Cannibal sect known as the Bahari intrigues Nerissa. She believes their tales of a Dark Mother are wildly distorted, “whitewashed” versions of sacred lore, but there are too many uncanny similarities to dismiss the Lilith followers entirely. If whispers from the Wolf Kin are true, members of the notorious Cult of Isis are soon to pass through Chicago with the artifacts they stole from House Carna in Milwaukee. Acquiring both cultists and trinkets could prove useful to the Cultivars in the long term.

• Ancient Enemy: Helena must be dealt with. The Ancestor has long plucked at the strings binding that one to her monstrous, sleeping sire. If such subtle methods fail to oust her from her lair, more direct pressure from Nerissa and her powerful mortal family must be brought to bear. Then again, it might be amusing to see what happens when the Mother Herself returns.


Domain And Haven:
• North Burling Apartments (Haven 4): With the exception of Edith Beaubien, Nerissa is unknown to Chicago’s Kindred. As for the indigenous people who revere her, some mistake her powers for ancestor spirits and natural blessings, while others with a little more knowledge suspect she spends her days and nights in a vast, subterranean complex of apartments built beneath an opulent mansion on North Burling Street in Lincoln Park. The property was built by extended members of the Blackwater family and purchased by Mavis Blackwater just this year. Of course, such murmurs are firmly in the realm of deep rumor and are wholly unconfirmed. Those closest to her simply assume she rests with
the Ancestor beneath Lake Michigan as she has always done, emerging only when it suits her.


Thralls And Tools:
• Cultivar Cult (Allies 3, Contacts 3, Retainers 3): Nerissa commands a small-but-growing coterie of loyal Cultivars — Kindred who have renounced their Cainite heritage and are now bound by blood to the Ancestor.

• Blackwater Family (Allies 3, Contacts 4, Influence 5, Resources 2): As matriarch of the prominent Blackwater family and through her protege and mouthpiece Mavis Blackwater, she silently works her whisper-subtle influence into the cracks of Chicago’s Camarilla society, into the causes and activism of the city’s Anarchs and Caitiff, even, it is rumored, into the affairs of the Lupines that range in the wild and inhospitable places outside the city limits. It is this last connection that could prove to be Nerissa’s most lethal tool in her crusade against the Cannibals.


Kindred Relationships:
• Edith Beaubien (Pride): Edith is the primary Cultivar in Chicago and Nerissa’s link to Kindred affairs in the city. Nerissa is fond of Edith, in a patronizing, pet-like way. She won’t see Edith come to any harm, but is firm with the limits of what she is allowed to know.

• Khalid (Horror): Unknown to Edith or any of the other Kindred, Nerissa recently crossed paths with the Nosferatu, Khalid. What became of him following this meeting is a mystery, but he has not been seen since.


Whispers:
• Unknown Danger: If any whispers worth hearing have reached the ears of Chicago Kindred, only the Nosferatu know of them. For now, the Monsters maintain silence.


Mask And Mien:
• Those who glimpse Nerissa from a distance assume she is a mortal, indigenous woman of about 25, lithe and small in stature with copper-brown skin, dark eyes, and a handsomely beautiful face. Her heavy black hair is worn in elaborately woven braids sprinkled with glittering hairpins shaped to look like tiny flowers.

• Nerissa wears impeccably tailored bespoke clothing in fashion-forward, flowing lines cut from soft, sheer fabrics in shades of green, brown, and blue. Always present somewhere on her person is a brooch resembling a flowering vine, or maybe it is a fruit-bearing tree. Whatever it is, nothing like it exists on Earth in modern times.

• Any Kindred who come into close proximity with her experience a profound uneasiness, even dread. None but Edith and Khalid have met her face to face, and Khalid has since vanished while the ordinarily loquacious tattooist refuses to speak of her meetings with the Interlocutor.

• Nerissa’s Mask is her persona as Nerissa, which is far from her original identity. She cannot even recall her birth name.


Sire: Unknown

Embraced: Circa 4000 BCE or far more recent

Ambition: Erode Helena’s influence over the city

Convictions: Always aim to restore the Mother’s Garden

Touchstones: Mavis Blackwater — descendant and keeper of her people

Humanity: 8

Generation: Effectively 4th

Blood Potency: 6

Attributes:
Strength 2, Dexterity 3, Stamina 5;
Charisma 3, Manipulation 5, Composure 5;
Intelligence 5; Wits 4; Resolve 4

Secondary Attributes:
Health 8, Willpower 9

Skills:
Athletics 3, Brawl 4, Melee 2, Stealth (Plain Sight) 4, Survival (Underwater) 5; Animal Ken (Birds) 5, Etiquette 3, Insight 3, Intimidation (Age) 5, Leadership (Cultivars) 5, Persuasion 4, Subterfuge 5; Awareness 4, Medicine (Fertility) 4, Occult (Lilith) 5, Politics 3

Disciplines:
Auspex 5, Celerity 4, Dominate 3, Fortitude 5, Presence 4, Blood Sorcery 5


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What Is Nerissa Blackwater?
 Nerissa considers herself distinct from Kindred society, and certainly not of Caine’s lineage. While she has entertained the notion that her ancestry might trace back to Lilith, it’s a fleeting thought; Nerissa’s people predate stories written into the Book of Nod. Are Nerissa and her sire therefore not vampires as we know them? It’s one possibility, but unlikely. She shares the same flaws and powers as other Kindred, even if she expresses them in different ways. Here are a few options for what Nerissa and the Ancestor could be:
• Nerissa is insane. The victim of Blood-Bond conditioning and repeated indoctrination to believe she’s ancient, her sire is something non-Cainite, and she serves some grand purpose, the tragic truth is she’s a Caitiff neonate who’s gorged on methuselah vitae and serves the will of the absent Menele. How are her powers so immense? Perhaps she diablerized the Brujah methuselah by his consent.

• Nerissa is correct and she isn’t a Cainite. Knowing the legends of the so-called “Drowned” in other parts of the world, she believes her line is more akin to predatory chameleons who adopt the strengths and curses of the dominant monster in the area. She is immortal rather than undead.

• Nerissa is one of the oldest Caitiff in the world. This explains her confused origins, but begs the question: who is the Ancestor? It’s possible one of the clan founders or their eldest descendants Embraced and abandoned childer such as Nerissa for ritual purposes, or even through fear of their actions. When they were neonates, even the Antediluvians possessed mortal mores. In this case, the Ancestor could be a vampire of great age and close proximity in Generation to Caine.

• The similarities between the Cultivars and the Bahari are no coincidence: They are both Lilith cults, and Nerissa is a descendant of Lilith’s line. Defying easy categorization and not suffering a bane as the known clans do, Nerissa is unknowingly one of the few vampires who can trace her line back to the Dark Mother. Does this make the Ancestor Lilith, or one of her rumored childer? When Caine cast Lilith aside, she is said to have traveled far, and the Americas were untouched by Caine’s line at the time.

• Nerissa has fallen prey to the same mental manipulations as many vampires, being fed a story of great portents and mandated destiny. She is an ancient Ventrue or Toreador, possibly the childe of one of those clan’s founders, but so drunk on their vitae and subject to their thrall that she unquestioningly believes otherwise. The Ancestor may well be the torpid Antediluvian of one of those clans, now stirring to wakefulness due to the Gehenna Crusade’s mass spilling of rich blood and the Beckoning’s clarion call. Of course, if the Beckoning affects Antediluvians, too, there’s still the question of who’s emitting the call…

顺便大赞5版的美术和设计,都很棒。

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2020-09-15, 00:03
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虽然鬼人理论上和血族一样是永生,但官方资料里从没出现过非常老的鬼人

中世纪书血与丝说当时最老的鬼人都来自周朝,算下来也就两千多岁
现代也差不多,打Ravnos的那三位算是心法里有头有面的人物,也都是秦朝的。骨花的罗汉暗影之母也是秦朝人。心法里的有些派,比如击龙的十节令派创始人老朽蜘蛛生于战国之前,但都不会超过三四千岁。那些真正老的去哪儿了?

血与丝似乎也侧面回答过这个问题,
“据传生于第三纪元(注:相当于血族的第一城时期,神话时代)的鬼人还有活着的,但这么古老的造物如果真存在,他们要么早已升入天堂,要么堕入地狱”

不知道击龙那个创始人千鹤之母多少岁了... 我总觉得鬼人(作为种族)比血族年轻很多
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说起来被天照计划的太阳炮杀死的是哪一位?
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说起来被天照计划的太阳炮杀死的是哪一位?
噩梦之周那次被太阳炮杀死的是Ravnos本人。三位对战他的菩萨在之前就被核弹杀死了,分别是:
魔虎的八雷师傅(Eight Thunder Sage)
击龙的黑土男孩(Black Earth Boy)(有资料说是他干掉了Ravnos,姑且算生死不明)
丽鹤的雄升西阳(Rising Majestically to the Western Sun)
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