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> Bogatyri是否可以等同于4代Tzimisce吸血鬼?
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2020-11-05, 14:40
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Tz氏族书里有bogatyri的描写,始祖的“未知”卫士,在始祖第一次“死”时集体分散,即使始祖通过自己的子嗣魔龙的哺育重新降生,他们也是头也不回。

这里是Tz小说的一些描述
我个人认为算是比较详细的侧面描写:

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My belly swelled with him and within myself, I felt him move, I felt him caress me from within, lovingly, trusting me in his vulnerability as he trusted no one and nothing else, even his bogatyr witch-warriors.
(摘自Tz中世纪小说,第二部分,龙之眼,魔龙回忆始祖用5级能力the Body Impolitic在自己体内重生时的一段)从这段我们知道魔龙不是bogatyri之一,bogatyri可能全员会Koldun,而tz4代的巫师们肯定不全是bogatyri(魔龙自己就是巫师,氏族内有以他命名的元素风暴“核爆”巫术)

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“I have heard that, as well. In fact, I have heard that he harbors no less a koldun than the Shaper
priestess of the Mother herself, Danika Ruthven, childe of the eldest of the bogatyri kin-lines.
Danika Ruthven是6代tz巫师,遁世会创始人之一,遁世会十二长老之一,她的尊长taraboste(头衔) Damek Ruthven是氏族最博学的系谱学家,始祖化身(那棵树(?)的看护者,她的祖辈尊长则是一位bogatyr,如果这样算bogatyri可以作为4代

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It was a language no longer spoken by any mortal tongue, his sire had taught him, a language older than that of the Romans and Greeks, handed down through their line and, possibly, only the other koldun lineages. It was properly used for only a few purposes - written or spoken entreaties to the Eldest or its bogatyr-childer, invocation, propitiation, thanks, or praise to gods and spirits.
摘自,第一部分 龙之血 巫师Ilias施法封印“尼基塔”的安息所(从梵卓书我们知道尼基塔大主教就是魔龙的一个伪装,而齐米棘书倒数第二幕就是魔龙击碎这个封印,始祖在Damek Ruthven的园子里上身Ilias,随迈卡,马拉希底斯一起前来倾听魔龙的心愿)

至于其余的部分,我没看过,也没那个精力去看了,希望各位不吝赐教hhhhhh

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2020-11-05, 16:59
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Yorak asserted the bogatyri were not kine, Lupine, or Cainite.摘自fandom(不知道哪里来的)
就我个人而言,我认为bogatyri不是血族,不过他们的能力与古老毫无疑问可以‘等同’于4代Tzimisce吸血鬼

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QUOTE(Hacky @ 2020-11-05, 16:59) *

Yorak asserted the bogatyri were not kine, Lupine, or Cainite.
看来Yorak的说法跟达妮卡祖父的身份有些矛盾(当然可能书中人物视野有所局限),如果魔龙对那些巫师战士有什么更详细的表示-说法的话,我觉得这个地方就没有太多可发挥的了(我自己认为的话,魔龙的视界在东欧算是最宽广的了,欧洲tz最有力的领袖,说话分量更重)

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2020-11-05, 18:11
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A bogatyr (Russian: богатырь, IPA: [bəɡɐˈtɨrʲ] (About this soundlisten)) or vityaz (Russian: витязь, IPA: [ˈvʲitʲɪsʲ]) is a stock character in medieval East Slavic legends, akin to a Western European knight-errant. Bogatyrs appear mainly in Rus' epic poems—bylinas. Historically, they came into existence during the reign of Vladimir the Great (Grand Prince of Kiev from 980 to 1015) as part of his elite warriors (druzhina[1]), akin to Knights of the Round Table.[2] Tradition describes bogatyrs as warriors of immense strength, courage and bravery, rarely using magic while fighting enemies[2] in order to maintain the "loosely based on historical fact" aspect of bylinas. They are characterized as having resounding voices, with patriotic and religious pursuits, defending Rus' from foreign enemies (especially nomadic Turkic steppe-peoples or Finno-Ugric tribes in the period prior to the Mongol invasions) and their religion.[3] In modern Russian, the word bogatyr labels a courageous hero, an athlete or a physically strong person.[4]

如果是和wiki上的定义类似的话,应该可以认为是卫士,至于能力相当于什么级别,应该也不会低吧?
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